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cuts they want. let me bring in "times" deputy bureau chief ed o'keefe. good morning to both of you. this is all just breaking now, but the president has said and he said it consistently. he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff.

it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's happening. that's what the president will do. >> ed, you're our congressional reporter and you saw that political headline. we know that there's this big house gop pow-wow coming up in williamsburg, virginia, at the end of the week. >> that's right is speaker boehner is going to walk he's members through exactly what would happen. he thinks he can put off default by telling them the shutdown is dramatic enough. i guess the question is how serious is he? is one of these things really going to happen? >> well, you know, we've seen these threats before from both sides, that they don't want to have a fight. they end up having a fight and it turns into some version of high noon on pennsylvania avenue. but that meeting in virginia is going to be critical for this speaker. es he's got to not only layout a game plan for the next nine months but come to terms with these very conservative members of congress who voted against him for speaker, have raised

serious concerns about his priorities and about what he has been pushing for, his negotiations over the last few months. there's a lot for the speaker to do when it comes to his members and for his members to decide on what specifically they hope to do in the coming months. but this talk of default or, you know, pushing to cut spending dramatically while at the same time raising the debt ceiling, you know, it's replay from what we've seen before. i think what makes this one a little bit for obviously is the fact that there are more conservative republicans now serving in the house who are insisting on these dramatic cuts to go along with an increase in the debt ceiling. >> i want to bring in, as a matter of fact, congresswoman marsha blackburn. congresswoman, good morning. >> good morning. >> politico, you saw that piece. were your colleagues happy with what morris rogers said? i think it's possible that we would shut down the government to make sure t president obama understand that we're serious. are you prepared to do that? >> i think that each of us in the house, and i know speaking

from myself, what we want to make certain is that this president, this administration, this bureaucracy realizes that kicking the can down the road has come to a stop. we've got the can. it is spending cuts. and it is imperative that we reduce the size of the federal government, that we get it on a mega diet, that we end this out of control spending. you know, chris, we are spending 46 -- borrowing 46 cents of every dollar that we spend. we can't keep this up. we have to get on the spending plan that is going to lead us to fiscal health in this country. >> but you couldn't be further apart with the president. i mean, because obviously speaker boehner has said he wants dollar for dollar cuts. that would be an additional trillion dollars in cuts on top of sequestration. so we have two issues here. one is a government shutdown. other is the debt ceiling. let me ask you again, would you be willing to shut the government down? >> we are going to look at all of these options. you know, there is the option of

government shutdown. there is an option of raising the debt ceiling in short-term increments. >> would you be wailing to do that? >> i don't know. i just know that that's one of the things that is being floated, as you've seen in some of the articles. is raising it in short-term inyes increments. there's also the olympiplan of cuts of every $1 of debt limit increase. there are a lot of plans out there. the healthy thing is this. we are having a good discussion on it and the american people are very engaged in it. when i'm out in my district like i was last week and talking to my constituents, they will tell you, they are just -- they're over pay for programs they don't want, programs that have outlived their usefulness with money that we do not have. >> but with are they willing to see the government shut down? are you hearing that, congresswoman? >> yes, they are. yes, they are. but they want us to be thoughtful in what is done.

and this is the good thing. you know, maybe it's better to keep it open so we can keep cutting it. what we want to do is look at all of these ramifications. if you were to do the shutdown exactly what is going to continue, who is going to hold the purse. what we want to make certain happens is that we in the house maintain control of the federal purse, that we are judicious and that we are exercising good stewardship in making these cuts and spending reductions, and i think you're going to see speaker boehner, leader kantor, and our leadership team move forward on this with a very thoughtful plan. >> one of the things we hear he's going to be talking about in williamsburg is laying out for mesh members like you what happens if we breach the debt ceiling. here's some of what would happen. the fbi would shut down, prisons won't operate, the court system closes, tax refunds won't go out, the faa would go off line. that's not even talking about

what would happen in the financial markets, including the prospect of interest rates rising. do you feel comfortable -- >> but, chris, we've already addressed some of these things about making certain the interest is paid, making certain that we prioritize. you know, budgets are to be about priorities anyway. and i think that there is a way we're going to have to find a way forward, if you will, we're going to have to work through a way forward so that we pay all of our bills, so that we are able to meet what we have to meet as far as our needs go, and that we are reducing what the federal government spends. there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal spending system. everybody knows that. the time has come that everybody engage in this. the agencies, the bureaucracy, they've got to do their part on this. they just can't sit there and say, oh, you're cutting me because you're not giving me the

amount of increase that i wanted. those days are over. house republicans -- >> i understand that. almost out of time. i just want to ask for you, not to speak for the republican party, but to speak for congresswoman marsha blackburn. would you be willing if you don't get the kind of cuts that you think are necessary, would you be willing to go into default or to shut down the government? >> i think that there is a way to avoid default. if it requires shutting down certain portions of the government, let's look at that. let's put these options on the table, be very thoughtful, but get this spending pattern broken. we cannot afford a $4 billion a day deficit and trillion dollar plus deficits every single year. we just cannot afford it. so it requires thoughtfulness and it requires that we are going to have a plan to work through this. i think that that's where we as

republicans are headed. >> congresswoman marsha blackburn, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. michael, let me get back to you in this meeting that speaker boehner is going to be having and convince that he's going to have to do to conservative members of his party. how tough a sell job? >> i think it's tough. one reason it's tough, i was struck by the congresswoman's comments. i think there is fundamental disagreement about what it would mean not to just have a clean raising of the debt ceiling. so, in other words, if i heard the congresswoman correctly, i think she was reflecting a sense among some people that you could shut down the government, stop paying some bills, pay other bills, pay interest on the debt, for instance, and we could kind of get through it that way. i think a lot of -- a lot of other republicans, a lot of conservatives, and almost all democrats think you can't do that. you can't fool around with this. you've got to do this clean. and i suspect boehner may feel that way and part of what might be happening here is a real factual argument about what will happen, you know, if we play

this game, if we -- to use a metaphor the democrats like, if we shoot this hostage or at least wound the hostage. to some degree they're going to have to agree on the basic facts and what kind of game they're playing here. >> is that part of the complication here? is it really that, ed, we don't even have a ground rules yet. >> we don't. and i think that's what part of this meeting is designed to do this week is to lay it out, to educate the members a little bit about if we do x, y would happen, if we do a, b would happen. i was also struck by what p congresswoman was saying there, shutting down part of it is not something that's been seriously discussed in the past. it's been floated in recent weeks. usually you shut down parts of the government when you get to a shutdown and you take steps or the white house would take steps to get elements of national security and public health going, but not necessarily other programs like you mentioned, of the justice department. so if that is an idea that she's interested in, that's one that will probably have to be discussed a little more. but i think this meeting this week really is designed to sort of lay that out and try to put

the conference on the same exact path forward instead of having some of the disunity that we saw in recent weeks. again, the president will lay it out in just about an hour. and what he says will certainly also reflect on what republicans decide to do in the coming weeks. >> let me get your comments quickly on something else that obviously the senate is going to be looking at, another looming battle, chuck hagel, he's going to be meeting one-on-one with a lot of other senators this week, including chuck schumer. let me play for you just sort of a bllittle mash-up of what we heard on the sunday shows. >> superbly qualified based on his overall record, based on how feels about troops and veteran families. >> i think another thing, george, is going to come up is just his overall temperament and is he suited to run a department or a big agency or a big entity like the pentagon. >> at this point would you vote against him? >> no. nor would i vote for him.

i think we've got -- this is why we have hearings. >> he's going to have to answer questions. he's prepared to do it. i think he'll come out of this with strong support. >> michael, i guess the question is the same as it was on the previous topic, which is, how serious are his opponents and how much of a fight is this going to be? >> well, i think it's a little bit tvd, it's not -- it us 23409 does not appear as serious as the would be nomination of susan rice to secretary of state, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch of members, clarify prior remarks that he's made, make clear his position on key issues like israel and iran. he's probably going to have to get a little closer to the

president's public position and allay some concerns about some things he said which i think at times involved not very smart choice of words. i think that ought to do it. i think, you know, senator schumer probably doesn't want to be a no to bring down a presidential nominee at this point. i think schumer needs to demonstrate he asked some tough questions. i think hagel can get pass it it if he has some good meetings and he essentially swanlgs some concerns here. >> ken talked about that this morning that he thought schumer was the key as well. how much of this do you think is republicans that just want to say no and how much is genuine concern? >> i think the fed, john mccain is keeping an open mind on this. that's encouraging if you're chuck hagel in the white house. but i would argue that the most critical meeting chuck hagel will have in the coming days is chuck schumer. he has to be able to answer the questions of the new york senator because he can bring along as many as ten democrats. i was counting last week his

statement was coming out after the nomination was announced. notably, the junior senator from new york who takes a lot of cues from chuck schumer. several other senators who are beholden to schumer for helping them get elected in 2006-2008. if the most prominent jewish senator on the democratic side of is there, it could be very difficult for him to get an easy confirmation vote. >> ed o'keefe, michael, thank you. >> thank you. just a reminder, we will have the press conference live here on msnbc that is coming up in about an hour, 11:15. big night for the golden glo glob glob globes for politics. dab el day-lewis won best actor for "lincoln," jessica best actress for "zero dark thirty" and "game change" won three, including best mini series.

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there's a new urgency at the white house this morning. reports that president obama plans to push congress to move quickly to overhaul the immigration system. "the new york times" says in the coming weeks the president will

layout an ambitious plan that will include a path to citizenship for most of this country's 11 million illegal immigrants. it sets up a battle with many conservatives who want four or five bills individually ideaing issues like migrant farm workers and highly skilled foreigners. meantime, a bipartisan group of senators are also writing a comp f prehencive bill that they hope to introduce the march. i want to introduce los angeles mayor. >> chris, good to be on with you. >> you're making this speech about immigration reformat the national press club this afternoon. you have an op-ed today in politico. in that op-ed you outline six broad policy pillars for immigration reform including a pathway for legal permanent residency, a sproes to earn legalization, protections for families. i'm wondering, as you look at that list and what's important to you, what do you think is the most effective way to get this done? comprehensive reform or piece by piece?

>> absolutely. first of all, the time is now. we can't wait for another political season and we can't do a piecemeal approach. finally, we've got to make sure that there's a wapathway to ful citizenship. some kind of permanent residency or temporary residency program just won't work. i think there's a confluence of forces on both sides of the aisle. i saw senator mccain yesterday. i know that he and a group of eight senators are working on a comprehensive package. that's what i think the american people want. and that's what we need right now. >> let me give you the opposing view from marco rubio. let me read part of that article for you. mr. rubio says, he would want to see a comprehensive package of bills, maybe four or five, as opposed to one omnibus, move through congress con currently. he says other experience with comprehensive reform, obama care, the recent debt deal, shows how bad policy easily sneaks into big bills.

it would also offer a tempting big target for opponents. does he have a point? >> look, i'm not a member of congress. i can't tell you that -- that four different pieces of legislation is the wrong way to go. i have tell you this, that they have to include the pillars that i mentioned. we've got to -- we can't divide families any longer. you know, the 11 million undocumented have 5 million innocent children and 2 million children who are dreamers. we can't have a piecemeal approach whether it's five bill or big bills that says we're just going to do one or two of them and not do the rest. so what i can tell you is this. we need comprehensive reform. we can't -- we've got to have a pathway for citizenship. yes, you have to get at the end of the line, yes, you get a background check, yes, you have to pay taxes and learn english.

but attend you've got to have a pathway that makes you a part of the american fabric and a part of this citizenship of this nation. >> the white house has made it clear and the president has made it clear that he's ready to lead on this issue. but senator rubio also accused the president of poisoning the well for people on immigration reform because of his preelection policy shift on stopping the deport take of young illegal immigrants and issuing them work permits. how do you respond to that? >> i think that's unfortunate he would make that claim. if anyone -- and i don't want to get partisan here, but if anyone has poisoned the well it's been the republicans who talk about for the longest time about the self deportation of 11 million people who tout chris coback and the arizona law as the model for the nation. this an opportunity for us to get away from the partisan ship. it's an opportunity for democrats and republican s to come together and work together to pass comprehensive reform. i think we've got to get away

from the polarizing rhetoric and the blame game. let's work to the and let's get this done. >> speaking of polarization, a few issues seem to have split congress more in recent weeks than gun control. you're one of the mayors who have been trying to get something done about guns. vice president biden's task force is going to send recommendations to the president tomorrow. with all the pushback that we've seen, for example, folks who are just saying, it's not going to happen with this assault weapons ban being reinstated. how optimistic are you and what do you think can get done? >> well, i'm the author along the then senator perata of the california assault weapons ban. when i was the speaker of the assembly we passed one gun a month bill. we passed the saturday night special bill, safe storage. that was good for california. we need a federal assault weapons ban if we want to be truly effective. we need universal background checks in a country where 40% of

the arm sales are done between private owners and no background check is required. we need a tougher law against illegal straw purchasers who can buy a gun legally and then sell it to someone who can't and shouldn't own a gun. we need to do a lot more to beef up our mental health registries and provide more mental health services. and we need to address the culture of violence that we have in our country. and i hope that the congress the walk and chew gum at the same time, that they can pass comprehensive immigration reform and sensible gun safety laws, and address the debt ceiling and sequestrati sequestration. we elect them to get the job done, not to scream at each other, not to point fingers in the way that they always do. to get results. and i'm hoping that we'll see more results out of this congress than we did out of the last one. >> los angeles mayor antonio

villaraigosa, always good to have you on the program. >> thank you. vice president biden does meet today with house members to talk about stopping gun violence. today does mark the one-month anniversary of the newtown shooting. the town is debating what to do with sandy hook elementary school. more than 200 residents went to a meeting yesterday about whether to tear it down or to reopen sandy hook. and a lot of folks are divided. >> i don't believe any kid should ever have to go back there and type those feelings back with the school again. >> i think they should definitely rebuild it and maybe have a memorial there. >> and a reminder, president obama will be holding a news conference at 11:15 eastern. we will have it for you live right here on msnbc. look, if you have copd like me, you know it can be hard to breathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open for 24 hours.

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strategist margie omaro and deputy press secretary tony fratto. marg margie, should the president go s solo? >> it's certainly consistent with what the american people want. the american people, both in the polls and at the polls, have said that they want progress and movement, not more bickering and gridlock. when you see some of these quotes, chris, from republicans saying, we need a government shutdown out of our system, we need to show voters we're ready to fight and we're fighting. voters don't want more fighting. >> south carolina congresswoman clyburn who is number three democrat in the house said the president should take matters into his own hands if he has to. here's what he says. >> if the president, as the chief executive officer of the country, is faced with this kind of a -- on the part of a few members in the house of

representatives, i think he will do well for himself and for the country to sign an executive order invoking the 14th amendment. >> we heard republicans, tony, talking about we just heard marsha blackburn not ruling out a government shutdown. >> yeah. >> if that's the case, have the republicans left the president no other choice? >> i should say i think as you know, chris, i'm a long advocate for actually getting rid of the debt ceiling law all together. i think it's obviously an absurd kind of law and i don't think republicans should be using it that way. but that said, i think margie talking about public opinion a little bit, one of the problems that congress faces is that if you ask the american public do you want to raise the debt ceiling, 60% plus of americans will say don't raise the debt ceiling. we have a big educational hurdle among the american people and i think also among some members of congress. there is no space in the law for a president to do this with the 14th amendment.

they have made that clear repeatedly. and i think, you know, harry reid and some members of the senate are looking to be bailed out by the president here. i think what you're going hear from the president rightly is i think he's going to tell congress, i think he's going to tell both houses of congress i await your bill. you created this problem, work together and come up with a solution and send it to me that raises the debt ceiling that does not allow the country to fall into default. >> margie, another thing he's going to talk about i presume later today at 11:15 is vice president biden who is going to present the recommendations from his gwen gun task force tomorrow. but there are also some things that's been suggested that he can do independently as president, new importation on weapons and tougher law enforcement policies. a lot of folks have talked about greater cooperation between federal agencies that share mental and criminal health records. i guess only eight out of 60 federal agencies had actually shared mental health records with the national instant criminal background check

system. should he consider something like this to show he's serious, should he hold out in case there's no movement on the biden recommendations? should he be willing to make these unilateral decisions? >> absolutely. i mean, this is an issue that really goes beyond politics and it goes beyond politics when you look at public opinion. voters see incredible amount of common ground on the issue of guns. voters decided they want to see a whole host of common sense, stronger gun law, even over 80% of gun owners say that protecting the second andment goes hand in hand with keeping guns out of dangerous hands. there is a lot of public opinion, a lot of support. it's really important that this gets done really quickly. >> does it send a message should he decide to the that, tony, that, look, we're going to do everything we condition within the system, now let's move forward on additional things we can do or do you think republicans would see that as sort of in your face? >> i think republicans will, i think you will see the same reaction you saw from them from

immigration. what the president is doing is not a whole lot different from other presidents that will always look for white space in the law to use their executive authority in order to either, you know, prod action from congress or to, you know, in some cases get around what some of what congress would like presidents to do, some of the boundaries they draw for congress. space in the law. presidents will fill it with whatever authority you can. you've seen it from this president, critical of previous presidents, you've seen it from this president just like you have with others. my answer to congress has always been from either party is the remedy to that is to legislate. so if you don't want the president taking action this way, you can go ahead and legislate and find ways to pass legislation that will direct the executive to do the things that you want him to do if you write good enough laws. >> tony, margie omero, good to see both of you. want to bring in someone who is trying to find common ground

in washington, democrat from west vurnlg virginia senator. good to see you. >> how are you, chris? >> we've been talking a lot this morning ability what's going to happen with the debt ceiling. there's been talk about whether or not there's going to be a government shutdown. let me play for you what marsha blackburn said just about half an hour ago. >> okay. >> i think that dl is a way to avoid default, if it requires shutting down certain portions of the government, let's look at that. let's put these options on the table, be very thoughtful, but get this spending pattern broken. >> you also have a divide where you have the president saying, you know, there's not going to be any more spending cuts tied to this. john boehner is talking about one to one. marsha blackburn floated three to one. i think a lot of americans look at no labels and they say this is exactly what we want, good for you, but also give them what

we just heard, good luck. how are you feeling about the state of washington right now? >> chris, it's a shame that it gets to this -- to the last minute. it seems like since i've been there for two years everything goes down to the last minute and we push it over as the debt ceiling. you know, we had debt commission put together by simpson and bowles, the president's commission. it was bipartisan, state bipartisan, it grew bipartisan. no one took ownership of it. 40 of us in the senate, 20 ds and 20 rs. we had a revenue portion that we just passed that prevented the cliff, if you will. we have to now address the spending. and we're going to have to look at different ways that we can do to get our fainances under control. to say that we're not going to negotiate or talk. that's what we're sent there to do, to work out the problems of

america and to move our country forward. it's a shame, chris, that when you look at the greatest challenge the american economy has, is the american congress. that's a shame. >> what do you do? how do you move forward? i was talking this morning to your counterpart on the republican side, former utah governor jon huntsman, and, you know, he is -- there's a key word there i just used, former. how do you get the people who are involved in the process right now who can have this influence, to get on board and really do sit down in that meeting room and listen and talk and negotiate? >> chris, right now i've been in senate for two years. you know we have not had the first bipartisan caucus yet, not one time have we sat down organized by leaders for us to sit down in 100 chon or at any time in two years to talk about the problems and if we had commonality. >> what does it take to make that happen, senator? >> well, this is what no labels is all about, the problem

solvers. we're saying if it's not going to happen from the top, maybe those of white house are frustrated as i am that wanted to do something that came to washington to solve problems will get together. it's the first time i've been able to meet with colleagues over on the house side. i've never had that opportunity. and the problem solvers of no labels has give reason me that. so at least we're starting the dialogue. i know where our differences are with the people i'm talking to now. we want that to grow. >> what do you think the chances are that we default? what do you think the chances are that there's a government shutdown? give us your weird of where things are in congress. >> i think people are pretty concerned about the spending. you know, it took, if you will think about it, the two years that i was there, all i heard is no revenue, no revenue. we don't have a revenue problem. we have a spending problem. on my side of the aisle, they were saying we don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem. well, guess what, they're both right and they're both wrong. we do have a revenue problem and we have a spending problem. and that's where the bowles

simpson approach came in. we addressed both of those. we're going to have to look at our spending. it took two years to get to where republicans would agree towards any revenue and they believe they put everything on the table they're ever going to put on. i think there's still a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse. i think there's still a lot of gimmicks we can get rid of. i believe there's a lot of unnecessary spending we can cut. i believe in still sitting down, talking, negotiating, and not putting the people in a horrible situation that we continue to do and come to the time that we say, okay, you have to raise it and if you don't raise it, you default. if you default, your credit rating, i'm not sure how table our credit rate willing be no matter what happens. i just think we need to do our job. >> senator joe manchin, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you, chris. well, it was a fun ride while it lasted. gas prices though are on the rise again. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. >> chris, after months of dropping we're all enjoying that ride. it seems that gas prices are

creeping up again. you've got at the moment the average u.s. price of a regular gallon, it surged about seven cents in the last three weeks. sitting at $3.30 a month ago, chris, we were at $3.27. mind you, we are still lower than the $3.39 of a year ago. diesel, i do believe, is remaining unchanged at around $3.96 a gallon. if you want to know where the highest prices are, lowest prices are, of the places surveyed in 48 states, salt lake city has the average lowest price, long island new york has the highest at $3.75. unlucky us. >> cnbc's mandy drury. thank you. >> thank you. forget about who took home those golden globe statues. e entertainment got a look at the best dressed. here are the favorites. videoey deschane in red. julianne huff, rocker edge. sophia vergara in a sparkly

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[ woman ] learn from my story. new york city pharmacy spent the weekend scrambling to keep up with the demand for the flu vaks screen. it's the latest big city to declare a public health emergency. across the country even some of hollywood's biggest stars were hard hit by the flu. listen to last night's golden glebs. >> terrible streep is not here tonight. she has the flu. i hear she's amazing in it. >> thank you, hollywood. sorry, i'm tail end of this flu. and i was kicking myself for not getting the flu shot but it appears actually you don't need one. i feel great. >> hugh jackman isn't alone. as of november, nearly 65% of adults, had not gotten the flu shot. why aren't more people protecting themselves? "washington post" health policy reporter sarah cliff has just written about this. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> you say that flu has one of

the lowest vaccination rates. do you have any idea why so few people, especially now, when everybody is saying how bad it is, why aren't they getting vaccinated? >> yeah, you know, it's actually much lower than the other things we tend to get vaccinated for, like tuberculosis, mumps. one of the reasons those vaccination rates are so high is because those are required to get into school as a kindergarten, preschooler. no one is going to stop you from going to work if you didn't get your flu vaccine. there's not that safeguard that tends to lead to higher vaccination rates against other diseases. >> a lot of americans have a negative perception about the flu. some of them include they don't think they need it, they don't believe in it, whatever that means, they think they might get sick from it. what did you find out about people's impressions about the flu shot? >> yeah, you know, there's a lot of reasons that people don't really seem inclined to get flu shots. one of them happens to be because the flu vaccine tends to be less effective than other vaccines and that's due to the fact that the flu virus changes

so much year to year. it's really difficult for the folks making the vaccines to keep up with those changes. so this year's vaccine is about 62% effective, meaning that it lowers the rate of death from flu by about 62%. but you know, some people will take up the vaccine and still get the flu and they might say, you know what, this might not be worth it. >> number of people getting vaccinated does rise over the course of the flu season by 10%. it's still under 50%. the cdc says the annual death toll from the flu ranges from 4,000 to 40,000. is there any sense of what's evide effective or how they can convince more americans to get immunizes? >> one thing that we do know is if you reduce the cost of the flu vaccine, if you make it free or if you make it really easy to get. some other research, which might be a little less heartening, shows that people get the flu vaccine more when they notice people around them getting the flu. you might see somebody in your office, a co-worker, so that

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california citrus farmers are on edge. worried an arctic cold snap could worry their $2 billion citrus harvest. the next couple of nights will be critical. record low temperatures in california are just the latest in a string of extreme weather events. this follows a new report that warns about the impact of

climate change. richard lui is here with this. >> chris, they're looking at climate change. they say it's hurting pocket books and changing lifestyles more severely than previously thought. this according to that new federal report. yesterday's weather punctuated that claim. in the south, a blizzard blanketed new mexico causing schools and businesses to close. many seeing snow for the first time. florida's orange crops look more like ice pops. growers breathe a sigh of relief as the subfreezing temperatures though did not leave lasting damage. but lasting impact is all around, says this new reporter written by 240 scientists. inspects are multiplying at rates above normal. at risk, plants and people from disease and destruction that these insects can cause. the weed kudzu is growing out of control, spreading north as higher temperatures become more common, making it tough for farmers. oil rigs in alaska,000ing ground

cuts available drilling time in half. now, this report raises the urgency level compared to the one issued in 2002009. this time the word threat or variations of it are use 198 times. the word disrupt is used 120 times. a letter to president obama published an m.i.t. technology review a week ago was just as emphatic. it says, it is quite possible that if this is not done over the next four years, it will be too late. end quote. european ngo, climate before them say climate change will zap the u.s. economy of over $400 billion annually by 2030. already they say it's stealing $1.2 trillion from the global economy each year and contributing to deaths of nearly 400,000 people. now, one hopeful sign here if you, chris, the cost of extreme disasters and catastrophes, natural or manmade, that went down last year. >> so one little piece of good news in the middle of all of that other concern. >> yes. >> it's a beautiful day here in new york. >> it is a beautiful day today. >> yeah. thank you so much, richard.

and that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing and company." i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. >> good morning, everybody. topping our agenda, president obama meets the press. he's going to be holding his 37th solo news conference, the final news conference of his first term. just minutes from now we're told scheduled for 11:30, everything from the debt ceiling showdown to gun control to immigration reform. and the president's cabinet will likely be on the table, as well. we have an all-star nbc and msnbc panel lined up for you. andrea mitchell, al sharpton joining me, plus nbc white house correspondent peter alexander and capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. keep it locked in right here for live coverage coming your way at the top of the hour.typic al fam0 in "wall street" fees on their 401(k)s? go to e-trade. and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement account. none of them charge annual fees, and all of them offer low cost investments. e-trade. less for us. more for you.

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